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Ian
Hamilton in Conversation with Dan Jacobsonn
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A
note about Ian Hamilton in Conversation with Dan Jacobson
A 30,000
word interview, in which Hamilton talks about his upbringing,
the growth of his love of poetry, his work as an editor and reviewer,
the trials and tribulations of his various magazines, the poets
whose work he championed, the friends and enemies made along the
way, his passion for football, and much else besides. The
book contains a comprehensive bibliography, two uncollected poems
and 25 pages of previously unpublished photographs.
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A
note on Ian Hamilton
(Robert) Ian Hamilton was born on March 24th 1938, the second
son of Robert Tough and Daisy (McKay) Hamilton, who had left
their native Glasgow in 1936, and were then living in Kings
Lynn.
In 1951, the family now increased
by the arrival of another son and daughter moved from
Norfolk to Co. Durham, settling in Darlington. Hamilton was
sent to the local grammar school, and it was there, during his
last year, that he launched his first literary magazine. Although
it only ran to two issues, and he later made light of the thing
claiming that it consisted of little more than letters
of refusal from the well-known figures hed asked to contribute
The Scorpion demonstrated not only its seventeen-year-old
editors precocity but also his persuasiveness, for amongst
the people who didnt refuse him were some of the periods
leading men of letters.
Hamilton took his university entrance
examination in 1955 and was offered a place to read English
at Keble College, Oxford. Entry had to be deferred for two years
while he did National Service, but when, in 1958, he did go
up to Keble, he quickly established a name for himself, at least
among those who took writing seriously. Within a year of his
arrival, he had launched a new literary magazine, Tomorrow.
This may have started out a little uncertainly with
lashings of Michael Horovitz and thin jests from the 21-year-old
Roger McGough, as John Fuller recently remarked
but by the time of its third and fourth issues, it was looking
a lot more confident, and a lot more interesting. Issue no.
4 had contributions from Christopher Middleton, Thomas Blackburn,
Alan Brownjohn and others. It also featured the script of an
early play by Harold Pinter, the first time this had appeared
in print.
During that same twelve-month period,
Hamilton also went from being the Oxford University Poetry Societys
treasurer to being its president or president,
chief executive and general mastermind, as he later described
it a job which obliged him to organize several readings
a term. In one three-week period, in late 1960, he presided
over readings by W.H. Auden, Stephen Spender and Robert Graves.
While at Oxford Hamilton made friends
with Michael Fried, John Fuller, and then Colin Falck, the three
people with whom, after graduating, in 1962, he launched his
third literary magazine, The Review. The Scorpion
and Tomorrow are memorable now chiefly because they were
forerunners of The Review, which as Neil Powell has said,
rapidly became the most influential and stylish of postwar
British poetry magazines worthy of mention in the
same breath as Grigsons New Verse, Connollys
Horizon, and Eliots Criterion. The Review
published poetry by a variety of writers a wider variety
than is sometimes realized. If there was a preference for short,
neo-romantic lyrics written in a disciplined free verse
subtly-explosive five-liners, as Hamilton once described
them there was still plenty of space for poets whose
work didnt fit this model. Issue no. 1, for example, contained
very different sorts of poems by Donald Davie, Roy Fuller, John
Fuller, Zbigniew Herbert, Peter Redgrove and Vladimir Mayakovsky.
Just as significant as the poetry, however,
were the reviews and the criticism, which had a reputation for
being combative even bellicose. Shorter notices
not the least effective of them written by one Edward Pygge
rubbed shoulders with carefully crafted essays that often
ran to considerable length. As Hamilton put it later, in an
article for the TLS, the magazine railed against
the so-called avant-garde (the Beats and their emerging progeny,
the Liverpool Poets) and against the then-fashionable Group
Poets. But in point of fact, no-one was immune to attack,
and even close friends and regular contributors could open the
latest issue and find themselves being given a leisurely mauling
in its columns.
Hostile reviews and criticism were by
no means the only kind featured in The Review, however,
for the magazine worked hard to promote the poets whose work
it really cared about. Robert Lowell, John Berryman, Sylvia
Plath not exactly established figures, then, despite
Al Alvarezs championing of them were some of the
people whose work it took a positive interest in. Others included
the likes of Norman Cameron and Laura Riding people it
thought worthy of a second look.
At about the time he launched The
Review, Hamilton started to write on a regular basis for
Alan Rosss London Magazine. But since his only
other source of income was from part-time teaching, making ends
meet was not easy. As a result, he readily accepted when, in
1965, Arthur Crook, the editor of the TLS, asked him
to be a Special Writer for the paper a three-day-a-week
job which quickly turned into that of Poetry and Fiction
Editor, for which he was paid the not inconsiderable sum
of £900 per annum. Nor did he hesitate, later in the same
year, when he was offered the position of Poetry Editor at The
Observer something for which the outgoing Alvarez
had recommended him.
In 1964, The Review published
a small pamphlet of Hamiltons poems entitled Pretending
Not to Sleep. A handful of these poems had appeared in small
magazines, but this was the first time his work had been gathered
together, and Richard Howard, writing for Poetry (Chicago),
reacted enthusiastically: Ian Hamilton is a discovery
... There is no complacent lingering over pain or pleasure,
but the accuracy, the reticence we know to be the quality of
high art. In 1969, Faber included twenty of Hamiltons
poems roughly half of them taken from the pamphlet, and
half of them new in its Poetry Introduction No. 1
(1969), and very shortly afterwards, they offered him a contract
for his first full collection. The Visit (1970), which
added a handful of new poems to those that had appeared in the
pamphlet and the anthology, was a great success. Irvin Ehrenpreis,
in a longish review, declared that it marked an epoch
in recent poetry, and Peter Dale, although he had some
criticisms to make, and wasnt sure how Hamilton would
be able to proceed thereafter, wrote: When [his] skills
are truly keyed in, as they frequently are in the poems of marriage
and mental disturbance, the poetry is very powerful and deeply
moving ... One of [these poems] achievements is to re-introduce
tenderness into English verse and to fend off defensive irony.
The Visit was a Poetry Book Society choice.
In August 1972, The Review published
its tenth anniversary number, and in the same week Richard Boston
wrote a long appreciation of the magazine for The Guardian,
which ended with the following words:
"What of the next ten years? Ian Hamilton
feels that little magazines have a tendency to run down and
become exhausted. Though there is no sign of this yet as far
as The Review is concerned, he feels that the point may
be approaching and that the magazine may be ready for a change
of course. His plans for the future are ambitious, though at
present he is unwilling to make them public. Whatever they are,
however, if The Review can maintain in its second ten years
the liveliness and intelligence of its first decade then it
wont go far wrong."
Hamilton was playing his cards just a little bit closer to his
chest than Boston realized, for he had already decided that
the tenth anniversary issue was to be the last. Not only had
the steam gone out of it, as hed hinted, but the magazine
had never achieved its hoped-for circulation figures, and was
crippled by debts.
In 1974, Hamilton launched his fourth
literary magazine, The New Review. The ambition of this
large-format glossy was evident from the start: Vol. 1, No.
1 was almost 100 pages long and contained poems, fiction, essays
and reviews by Al Alvarez, Martin Amis, Caroline Blackwood,
Melvyn Bragg, Russell Davies, Rosemary Dinnage, Douglas Dunn,
Colin Falck, David Harsent, Francis Hope, Dan Jacobson, Clive
James, Robert Lowell, Julian Mitchell, Edna OBrien, Jonathan
Raban, Lorna Sage, and George Steiner. It also featured a number
of photographs, some of them by the up-and-coming Fay Godwin.
Like its predecessor, The New Review made a decisive
contribution to the cultural climate of the times, not least
by its encouragement of younger writers. Martin Amis has already
been mentioned, but others of his generation were also being
given a platform, amongst them Julian Barnes, Jim Crace, James
Fenton, Ian McEwan, Andrew Motion, Sean OBrien, Tom Paulin,
Craig Raine, and Christopher Reid. Even so, the magazine was
not to last. It was heavily dependent on Arts Council funding,
and when, four-and-a-half years after it was launched, that
funding was withdrawn, The New Review promptly went out
of business.
Hamilton had given up his editorial
positions at the TLS and The Observer some years
before, and for a time earned his living on Grub Street, writing
most regularly for the New Statesman, which gave him
the opportunity to change direction slightly by employing him
as its television reviewer. Then came something altogether unexpected:
an invitation to write the biography of Robert Lowell, who had
died in 1977. Hamilton took just four years to complete the
task, and his 500-page book, Robert Lowell: A Biography
(1982), was a huge critical success, on both sides of the Atlantic.
The reviewers and these included figures such as John
Carey, Peter Davison, Richard Ellmann, Anthony Hecht, Karl Miller,
Robert B. Shaw, John Simon, Richard Tillinghast and Helen Vendler
were full of praise; but so too were intimates of Lowells,
many of whom wrote to Hamilton to express their feelings in
private. Lowells second wife, Elizabeth Hardwick, wrote
as follows: Your book is very different from the ones
we are accustomed to here. There is a finer intelligence in
it and a greater equality than usual between the subject and
the biographer. Your distance, the method, is full of Scottish
virtue and sets the work apart from that feeling of a hovering
heir among our academics. Another one to express himself
like this was the novelist and short story writer, Robie Macauley,
who had known Lowell since the late 1930s: I am reading
the Lowell with fascination and great admiration. Ive
always been confident that you would do a fine job, but this
surpasses even those high expectations. You are the only man
who could have done it. It needed your kind of long view and
deliberation and I cant think of anyone who knew
Cal whod have that in just the way you have.
After the success of the Lowell book,
it was only natural that Hamilton should think of writing more
biographies, if suitable subjects presented themselves. In
Search of J.D. Salinger (1988) was his next, but it was
a very different book, whose subject did everything in his power
to thwart it, dragging Hamilton and his publishers into the
law courts (and thereby guaranteeing just the sort of media
attention that unhampered publication would probably have spared
him). Mordecai Richler waxed indignant: At the risk of
sounding stuffy, I think it indecently hasty to undertake a
biography-cum-critical study of a still-working writer and in
highly questionable taste to pronounce him a perfect subject
because, in Mr Hamiltons view, he was, in any real-life
sense, invisible, as good as dead. But Richlers
views were not widely shared, and Jonathan Rabans assessment
of the book he called it a sophisticated exploration
of Salingers life and writing and a sustained debate about
the nature of literary biography, its ethical legitimacy, its
aesthetic relevance to a serious reading of the writers
books was closer to the general estimate.
Hamiltons next biographical subject
was very different again. A Gift Imprisoned: The Poetic Life
of Matthew Arnold (1998) explores Arnolds reasons
for abandoning his life as a poet and settling for three decades
of drudgery as an educationist and social reformer. Nicholas
Murray described it as an absorbing, highly
readable, acute and illuminating
study, and this will have been a particularly welcome judgement,
coming as it did from someone who had published a full life
of Arnold only two years earlier.
Keepers of the Flame (1992),
though not itself a biography, was borne out of Hamiltons
fascination with the genre. It deals with literary estates,
but as the author wrote in his foreword: A book about
literary estates has to be about many other things as well:
about changing notions of posterity, about copyright law, publishing,
the rise of English Studies, the onset of literary celebritism.
Principally ... it has to be about biography, the history and
ethics of. How much should a biographer tell? How much should
an executor suppress? And what would the biographee have wanted
do we know? John Sutherland began an enthusiastic
review of the book with the words: Hamilton could not,
if he tried, write an unreadable book. And Jeremy Treglown
declared it an absorbing and drily funny book, whose
author was characteristically inquisitive and detached,
humorous, knowledgeable and sympathetic. Keepers of
the Flame was Hamiltons own favourite amongst his
prose works.
Since the early 1970s, the poems had
been coming even more slowly, but they were still being written,
and in 1988 Faber published Fifty Poems, which combined
The Visits thirty-three with eleven of the twelve
hed included in a 1976 pamphlet called Returning,
and rounded this out with just six more. The book came with
a preface, which began: Fifty poems in twenty-five years:
not much to show for half a lifetime, you might think. And in
certain moods, I would agree. Not so most of the books
reviewers. Douglas Dunns notice was fairly representative:
In spite of his poems shortness, his absolutely
countable quantity of published verse, Hamiltons lyricism
still seems to me to add up to the best love poetry by a writer
of his generation. There were one or two dissenting voices,
however. Lachlan Mackinnon lamented Hamiltons failure
to work harder at his poetry: It is a great pity that
shunting poetry aside has left [him] so little work to show,
for he could have been a larger poet and a more skilful influence.
The decision to live another kind of life may not have been
easy, but it is not only Hamilton who has been impoverished
by it. Elizabeth Jennings was somewhat harsher, writing
as if she felt that shunting poetry aside was something
Hamilton ought to have considered doing earlier: The overall
impression is one of dissatisfaction couched in a lacklustre
vocabulary ... The tone throughout is low-key and there does
not seem to be much development over the longish period in which
these poems were written ...
Between 1984 and 1987, Hamilton hosted
BBC TVs Bookmark programme. Among the many distinguished
writers who were featured during his tenure were J.G. Ballard,
Seamus Heaney, Alison Lurie, Italo Calvino, Simon Gray, R.S.
Thomas, William Trevor, Timothy Mo, A.N. Wilson, Joseph Skvorecky,
Peter Reading, Kazuo Ishiguro and Peter Taylor.
Two more collections of poems appeared
in the 1990s, with Steps (1997) adding ten new poems
to his tally, and Fabers Sixty Poems (1998) placing
these alongside the fifty they had published a decade before.
One or two reviewers were disappointed by the newest poems.
Ian Grigson, for example, spoke of how the edgy, baffled
minimalism of [Hamiltons] earlier work has crumbled into
thinness and inconsequence. But again, the majority of
reviewers reacted quite differently. Lavinia Greenlaw thought
that Sixty Poems is sure to be one of the most
affecting and satisfying collections we will see this year,
and Alan Brownjohn, pronouncing Hamilton an original,
quoted with approval David Harsents claim that this was
a poet with a uniquely lyrical, passionate, and sorrowing
voice. Sixty Poems was a Poetry Book Society recommendation.
There is all too much that cannot be
covered in a note of this kind, but it would be a serious omission
not to mention Hamiltons passion for football. Not all
of us could share that passion, but anyone admiring Hamiltons
prose its rhythm, timing, suppleness and brio
will have found Gazza Agonistes (1998), the book he wrote
about his sporting hero, Paul Gascoigne, hard to put down if
they once picked it up. Susannah Herbert, though indifferent
to the game, wrote: You dont need to know much about
football to recognize that Gazza is a sporting hero with a difference
but Hamilton goes deeper, tracing the evolution of the
players image with affection and a certain head-shaking
sadness, like a mystified parent. I didnt want to care,
but I did.
Just how good an editor and anthologist
Hamilton was can be seen from the sheer quantity of this kind
of work he was commissioned to do. His most significant achievement
in this field was undoubtedly the Oxford Companion to 20th-Century
Poetry (1994), for which he put almost two-hundred-and-fifty
noted contributors to work, watching over them as they composed
the best part of 2,000 entries, covering topics, movements,
magazines and genres as well as individual poets, dead and alive
from 1900 all the way up to the early 90s. Helen Vendler
was sure the Companion would come to be seen as
a significant landmark of literary change.
Hamilton was an early contributor to
the London Review of Books, whose founding editor, Karl
Miller, he had worked for when Miller was literary editor of
the New Statesman and editor of The Listener.
Hamilton soon found himself on the papers editorial board,
alongside Frank Kermode, V.S. Pritchett, Stuart Hampshire and
other notables, and he served the paper loyally, under Miller
to begin with, and then Mary-Kay Wilmers, for the next two decades.
Many of his best essays several of them reprinted in
his collections, Walking Possession (1994) and The
Trouble with Money (1998) first appeared in the LRBs
pages.
Hamiltons last book, Against
Oblivion: Some Lives of the Twentieth-Century Poets (2002),
has only just been published. Some time ago, he
says in his introduction, it was suggested to me that
I might try to write an updated, twentieth-century version of
Samuel Johnsons Lives of the Poets. Like Johnson,
I would it was proposed compose mini-biographies
plus mini-critiques of about fifty modern poets ... All in all
... this Johnson update seemed a nice idea, if somewhat gimmicky,
and I agreed to have a go. Thus far, no consensus seems
to have emerged. John Carey was extremely positive: Stylish,
gritty, often hilarious, Against Oblivion glitters with
insights like flecks of mica. It gives precise expression to
things you have noticed but not been able to formulate ... It
is the cleverest, tersest introduction to 20th-century poetry
you could hope to find, written by a man who has earned the
right to be uncompromising. Robert Potts, by contrast,
was airily dismissive: a piece of light entertainment,
close to hack work: risk-free speculation in the poetic futures
market. And somewhere between Carey and Potts was Anthony
Thwaite, who found the book crisp, sharp, opinionated,
readable, but also thought it vulnerable,
claiming to find some of its inclusions and exclusions a little
eccentric.
It seems only right to mention that
Between The Lines owes its existence to Ian Hamilton. He sprang
the idea for it on the two people who became his co-editors
over lunch one of those played-with-but-uneaten lunches
for which he was famous late in 1997. It is doubtful
whether such an enterprise could have got going as quickly as
it did without his flair or, of course, his reputation.
When one of us, early on, said he thought that a well-known
poet we were thinking of inviting to participate would decline,
a mischievous smile crossed Ians face: He wouldnt
dare, he said and events did not prove him wrong.
It is a great sadness to his colleagues
at BTL that Ian did not live to see this volume, and that he
will not be around to work with us on others. He died from cancer
on December 27th 2001, aged 63, leaving one son (Matthew) by
his first wife, Gisela Dietzel, two sons (Robert and Ricki)
by his second wife, Ahdaf Soueif, and a son and a daughter (William
and Catherine) by his last partner, Patricia Wheatley.
Philip Hoy, 2002
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A
note on Dan Jacobson
Dan
Jacobson was born in Johannesburg in 1929 and grew up in Kimberley.
He was educated at the Kimberley Boys High School and Witwatersrand
University. After leaving university, he worked as a teacher,
as a journalist, and in the family milling business in Kimberley.
He settled in England in the mid-1950s, and since then has produced
ten novels, two collections of short stories, two critical works
and a volume of autobiographical essays. He has written extensively
for journals and magazines in Britain and the United States. His
last two books, The Electronic Elephant and Heshels
Kingdom are eclectic in form, bringing together public history,
private memoir and accounts of journeys undertaken by the author
in Africa and eastern Europe. He has been awarded several major
literary prizes and has lectured at universities in various parts
of the world. Shortly after retiring from a professorship in English
Literature at University College London, he was invited back to
the College to give the Lord Northcliffe Lectures for the year
2001.
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An
extract from the interview
I
asked some moments ago what connection you see between the conciseness
of your poems and their preoccupation with pain. You initially
seemed to dismiss the query, saying, in effect, oh thats
just the way it worked out; some were longer poems broken into
two because they werent well glued together. But you didnt
leave it at that, which was just as well, in view of what you
went on to say. Now I have a related question. In the poems you
dont disguise or fictionalise the people you are speaking
about, but you do speak of them very cryptically. Your poems are
intensely private and confessional, if thats the word, and
yet at the same time they are written as if to deny readers access
to direct knowledge of the donnée or actual situation
giving rise to the poem.
Yes, I wouldnt want readers to have that kind of access
to it. There is a reticence at work in the poems. I am expressing
very private emotions as if to another person, but I have no right
to make that persons real-life suffering public, as it would
be if the factual background to the poem were to be published.
I am creating the dramatic illusion of speaking as if to that
one person alone. Thats very different, say, from printing
ones letters to that person. There is a difference between
giving voice to moments of intensity which have a sort of general
interest or application and airing in public things which are
essentially confidences. So the individual becomes blurred, as
in most love poetry. The addressee is non-specific, the reader
doesnt need to know much about the person, even though the
poem is framed as if addressed to her. You might know she is called
Julia or something, but you dont know a lot more than that.
You probably know less about the relationship in most love poems
than you would in a poem by me a poem that tells you something
about the basis of the relationship, the most intense point of
the relationship. But my poems are also about something else.
They are poems about loss, about transience, disappointed hopes,
if you like, about protectiveness, the wish to alter something
that cannot be altered, theyre about the conditions of an
entire life experienced in this local and precise way. So yes,
a lot disappears of the confidential detail. I dont think
it would be right to have such detail in a poem anyway. You might
in a prose narrative give the person a different name, use lots
of details about them, and that might not seem improper. But that
doesnt seem to me to be what poems ought to be doing. They
ought to deal with the intense, climactic point of a drama, to
the essence of the feeling it evokes. They should invite the reader
to eavesdrop, you might say.
So this kind of poetry you were writing could only take the
form of a direct address by the poet to another person?
Virtually all of them do. Either somebody is dead, or somebody
is mad, and cant make sense of what you are saying.
But, after all, if you think of John Donne, or Shakespeare in
the sonnets for that matter, theres plenty of direct address;
but you dont get a sense of the reader as eavesdropper.
I think you do.
You do? I think of them more as staged affairs. Which doesnt
necessarily diminish their intensity.
Well, they were writing in the literary conventions of their time.
I wanted to create the illusion of privacy, of an overheard thing.
What one likes, or what I like in poems, is the feeling that I
am overhearing, even though I know that I am not.
Donne is often stagey, in a contrived sense; Shakespeare much
less so certainly in the most compelling of the Sonnets.
Yes, Donne is tricky and ingenious and hes enjoying his
ingenuity. But in Shakespeare you get a sense of a much more troubled
spirit.
And so of a much greater degree both of inward communion with
himself and at the same time of engagement with the other person.
Absolutely. Something is at stake there. And has to be spoken
of.
In order to maintain such a combination of intensity and privateness
and at the same time to produce a public utterance
do you perhaps not need a recognised form, a given form, which
you recreate on the page? You didnt have such a form. I
dont know of anybody who writes quite as you do. Some people
began to write as you did afterwards, but there was, so to speak,
no ready-made form or garment for you to adopt. It may be that
for the mode of private-public communion you were seeking you
needed the sonnet, say, you needed strict Donne-like stanzas.
Do you see where Im
I dont think you need that for the poem to work, whatever
work means. Poems are always parts of other peoples
poems to some extent. There will be echoes, even if they may be
suppressed, if they may have been almost eliminated. In my work
there may be bits of Frost, bits of Hardy, bits of eavesdropped-on
intensity from other poets. But to produce anything worthwhile
you have to have your own voice, which does things which only
you can do to whatever bits and pieces are floating around in
your head until there the poem is, there it sits. The question
of printing it or pushing it as a finished artefact which you
are proud to be the maker of is problematical, and Ive always
been nervous about that. For example, reading poems aloud has
always been a problem for me because I find my poems quite upsetting
to read. And I dont want people to see me upset. Except
I did write the poems and I then printed them.
You are responsible for them.
Exactly. I find reading them aloud unseemly and embarrassing.
I try to avoid it, have tried to avoid it. I still do; if anything
it gets harder and harder.
Ive heard you read just once. In the Poetry Society.
It was very effective but I could see quite plainly you were not
enjoying it.
No, it was hellish. I remember the occasion.
One of the reasons why you wrote the poems is that these situations
mattered to you so much you couldnt bear to leave them unexpressed.
Which means passing them on to others.
I sometimes wish Id have been a different sort of poet.
I wish it hadnt worked out in the way that it has: that
the poems Ive produced happened to be the only things I
could do. Ive certainly tried other things, many exercises,
and Ive tried to write sonnets and tried to write quatrains.
I could do all of that quite fluently but I never thought it was
poetry. I thought of it as verse. It had no power of the kind
that made me respond to poetry in the first place.
You mentioned Hardy a moment ago. If it is true that poets
can use public forms, ready-made garments, without necessarily
diminishing the individuality or personality of the
poems they write, it occurs to me that even as you read some of
Hardys most elaborate and tormented poems you constantly
get the feeling that they could be sung.
Well, I would make that claim for some of my own work. There are
a lot of internal rhymings I am very keen on; and I can hear them
as a kind of song sometimes, at least the early ones. Yes, that
is something that holds the poems together or makes them different,
makes them permissible: youve written a song. And Ive
always liked the idea of writing a song, though I have no musical
gift. But having a musical gift in language is essential
to any poetic performance. And thats quite true of Hardy
and some at least of the poems Ive written. Or so I would
contend.
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